Another good article about Full Frame versus APS-C sized sensors for Pentax. By:

[Yvon Bourque]

 Miserere participates in many of the online forums. He has a good article about the Full Frame versus the APS-C sized Sensors.

Read it here.

http://pentaxdslrs.blogsp...ed-full-frame-camera.html

[Mike Pearson]

Yvon,

An excellent blog and the posting by "Miserere" makes sense - thanks for sharing. The FF issue seems to raise its ugly head every time someone else releases one - there will always be a contingent that "cannot live without one". 

Mike

[calsan]

It's not like anyone is obliged by law to buy Pentax! Measurebators can always march into their camera store and slap their money down on a brand new Canon, Nikon or whatever.  Anyone unhappy with their K20D can then post it to me.  I'll be happy to 'put up with it'.  I personally anticipate a lot of success for Olympus's micro 4/3 system, because frankly, if you have your camera with you, you will get a better shot than if you left it at home because it's too big to carry!

[troyboy]

awesome article by miserere!!! thanks yvon.

[pentaxie]

A good reading from the link, Yvon.

Thanks for sharing.

[blackcloudbrew]

I thought I'd revive a old thread on this subject rather than starting a new one. Anyway, the members here don't seem too overly obsessed with full frame madness (that is apparently suffering because Pentax doesn't have a full frame camera out or in the works) as I've seen on some other forums. I'm not trying to kindle that here but as inquiring minds do ponder such questions, I think it does help to share any understanding on the subject because there clearly are differences between the APS sensor and full frame senor. I ran across this video recently and while quite long (40 minutes or so) and biased towards the canikon world, it does a very good job of demonstrating the differences between the two sensors both positive and negative. I have to say that after viewing this my understanding of this issue was substantially improved and while someday I might find the need for a full frame camera to do some aspects of photography better, I'm happy right were I am with my APS camera because I understand what APS does better than full frame and why.

http://blip.tv/file/3185583

Tim

[spyglass]

Thanks for bumping this thread Earl. A good read is always worth reading again. 

I believe people have to understand that while tools can make a job easier, the success of the job is determined by the skill of the craftsman using them.

One point that might also be of interest that was not mentioned in the APS-C sensor discussion dealing with crop factor was a lenses "sweet spot". For most lenses the outer regions of a lenses offer the most spherical aberrations, distortion, purple Fringing /chromatic aberrations, vignetting, etc. Using a lens that was designed for full frame on a camera with an APS-C sensor is like eating the center out of a water melon (best consistency of the melon, the sweetest part,  and no seeds. (something I remember doing as a kid with my lawn cutting money)

Speaking of lawns......   

I promised my wife I will do the best job I can.......   

You know where this is going.....   





Spyglass

[JIMBO]

blackcloudbrew... Interesting video comparing the two sensors. I have been pulled in many directions on the two systems, as they each have their strengths and weaknesses. I am really torn between the two but one thing for me has been the lens selection for Pentax on the long telephoto side. Very limited. If I heard right I should look at the D300 and the D700 and interchang lenses. With Pentax I find it is limited to grow to the larger glass or very limited on the wide angle len selection that I do shot a lot of. I am saving up for a new system and still have months to go. [About 8 if I go FF] I also thought about the MF from Pentax but there is little or no indication they will have a good lens selection anytime soon and the way Nikon and Canon spend RD money, I am sure they are already looking at the next models to even push the limit further. I love my K20 and K10 and no matter which way I go I do plan to keep everyone body and lens. I know how unpopular people are when looking at other brands and that is just some kicking I will have to take. Hell in eight months a whole different system may come out but as I have been told so many times, you will buy a few bodies in your life time but Lenses last forever and that is where I see Pentax falling short, as least for what I what to shoot. Ok on with the lashes! Cheers JIM

[spyglass]

Ok on with the lashes! Cheers JIM

Only because you asked Jimbo...... (we would like you even if you didn't own a camera)



spyglass

[blackcloudbrew]

In some ways, I wish we didn't have to have this discussion. However, this video gave me a lot more information that I can take in and digest. For now, I've got a great system that can do more than I can figure out. My limitations are my own creativity not my equipment.

Earl

Yo' sypglass, hey give the Jimbo kid a break will ya?

[JIMBO]

Only because you asked Jimbo...... (we would like you even if you didn't own a camera)

In some ways, I wish we didn't have to have this discussion. However, this video gave me a lot more information that I can take in and digest. For now, I've got a great system that can do more than I can figure out. My limitations are my own creativity not my equipment.

You know Tim that could be the first line that makes total sense about changing brands and staying with your brand. Thank you.  Spyglass, I am what I am and for me that's is enough. Cheers bud. JIM


For me its about my choice JIMBO

[JIMBO]

You know Tim that could be the first line that makes total sense about changing brands and staying with your brand

You probably thought I lost it on that reply but in the end one has to decide on all the options on what type of photography one shoots. Take care and hopefully I will leanr through this process. JIM<

[fotaki]

blackcloudbrew...thanks for posting this reminder. I'm with you on your "I've got a great system that can do more than I can figure out. My limitations are my own creativity not my equipment" remark. When my ability improves, then maybe... 

[SSTdefiantED]

Nice find. I enjoyed reading it. Thank You.

[Ron Kruger]

I shoot for publication, so I look at cameras and lenses as a practical investment: the best tool for the job at the best price. That's why I switched from decades of shooting Nikons to Pentax.
I know there's an idea out there than real pros shoot FF. Some do, but mostly it's overkill. Truth is, at 14.6 MP, my K20D is overkill for magazine work, which is, by the way, much more demanding than prints. As the guy said, you can get good 20X30 prints from 10 MP.
I learned years ago that the glass controls IQ much more than the body. All the top bodies are good. Period. The biggest reason I switched from Nikon to Pentax was that their top line of lenses are close, equal and sometimes superior to Zeiss at half the price. That's good business sense, because despite what you may think, selling photos is a tough way to make a living.
My 15mm Limited is as wide as I want to go, because most editors don't like fish-eye bending, and with the crop factor, my DA* 200 (350mm film equiv) is long enough. The closer you get, the better the shot. Simple as that.
If someone came along and gave me a lucrative deal to shoot billboards, I'd probably upgrade to FF. For anything else, it's nice, but not necessary.